Comments on: Elle Magazine: Retraction or Hoax? http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/ This website will function as a clearinghouse for bulletins from participating cells, enabling readers to keep abreast of their activities and, more importantly, coordinate activities with them. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 20:05:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: peter p http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-14641 peter p Sat, 31 May 2008 20:35:39 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-14641 Froggy: I agree with your suggestion that anyone taking on actions such as these ought to be well-informed about the potential state retaliation, but lets not suppose how well-informed Eric McDavid was about that. It wasn't so much that he hadn't thought through the potential repercussions, it was that he failed to finally determine wether or not his supposed partner was in fact a PAID GOVERNMENT AGENT. One can be as prepared as history allows for the repercussions of one's actions, and it will always be devastating and surprising to find out that the person you have been sleeping next to and dreaming with for months is actually there to entrap you and put you in prison. And about your postscript: I think it is incredibly insensitive of you to claim that those 2 things are what people REALLY need to be involved in. How inconsiderate it is of you to dismiss the actions of people willing to risk their life and supposed freedoms, in favor of legal reform! Sure, the first of your concerns is important — but only so far as connecting potential anarchist sympathizers to prisoner support, and advocating direct action as an alternative means of "affecting change". The second of your suggestions is off-base, if you are seriously suggesting that we ought to attempt to change draconian laws into more tolerable ones, instead of engage those powers directly. About "Violence never wins anyone over": I'll spare all the readers the violence/non-violence rhetoric, and simply say that if you have misinterpreted the earth liberation movement so much as to think of it as a failing OUTREACH project, than you haven't been paying attention all along. Read any elf manifesto: Earth Liberation is Eco-Defense, Self-Defense. You don't need to "win over" the things that destroy you, just prevent them from destroying you. That is a pretty simple pillar of self-defense. Froggy: I agree with your suggestion that anyone taking on actions such as these ought to be well-informed about the potential state retaliation, but lets not suppose how well-informed Eric McDavid was about that. It wasn’t so much that he hadn’t thought through the potential repercussions, it was that he failed to finally determine wether or not his supposed partner was in fact a PAID GOVERNMENT AGENT.

One can be as prepared as history allows for the repercussions of one’s actions, and it will always be devastating and surprising to find out that the person you have been sleeping next to and dreaming with for months is actually there to entrap you and put you in prison.

And about your postscript: I think it is incredibly insensitive of you to claim that those 2 things are what people REALLY need to be involved in. How inconsiderate it is of you to dismiss the actions of people willing to risk their life and supposed freedoms, in favor of legal reform! Sure, the first of your concerns is important — but only so far as connecting potential anarchist sympathizers to prisoner support, and advocating direct action as an alternative means of “affecting change”. The second of your suggestions is off-base, if you are seriously suggesting that we ought to attempt to change draconian laws into more tolerable ones, instead of engage those powers directly.

About “Violence never wins anyone over”: I’ll spare all the readers the violence/non-violence rhetoric, and simply say that if you have misinterpreted the earth liberation movement so much as to think of it as a failing OUTREACH project, than you haven’t been paying attention all along. Read any elf manifesto: Earth Liberation is Eco-Defense, Self-Defense. You don’t need to “win over” the things that destroy you, just prevent them from destroying you. That is a pretty simple pillar of self-defense.

]]> By: froggy http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-14640 froggy Sat, 31 May 2008 19:06:14 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-14640 P.S. What people really need to be involved with is 1) Informing the public of the travesty that is government propaganda, 2) Changing the many draconian laws we have. Tall order, I know, but think about... It's the only way. Violence never wins anyone over or ever changes anything for the good. P.S.

What people really need to be involved with is 1) Informing the public of the travesty that is government propaganda, 2) Changing the many draconian laws we have.

Tall order, I know, but think about… It’s the only way. Violence never wins anyone over or ever changes anything for the good.

]]> By: froggy http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-14639 froggy Sat, 31 May 2008 18:50:23 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-14639 What is wrong with this is the excessive prison sentences of "eco-terrorists" such as Eric McDavid. But through-out this country, excessive prison sentences is becoming the norm -- a disgusting trend that gets zero media coverage -- allowed to happen by an ignorant populous that swallows it's governments propaganda hook, line and sinker everyday. But, Eric McDavid and friends did participate in a conspiracy. Yes the conspiracy was fabricated by "Anna." But they did not know that. They participated thinking that -- as far as can be gleaned from the Internet/media coverage -- they were doing something real. Someone said that "there was no crime," but that discounts the fact that planning to commit a crime is a crime under our laws; just as helping someone (or paying someone) to commit murder is a crime equally punishable as an "accessory." If anyone is participates in a quest to blow something up, burn something down, or otherwise destroy property -- no matter how noble their reasons -- they must be prepared to pay the penalty as defined by our society -- no matter how ignoble such penalties are. If anyone is participates in a quest to blow something up, burn something down, or otherwise destroy property, they must look at the consequences of being caught. If they did not know that they could have gotten 20 years -- as I know that I can get that if my pot plants are found by the cops -- then they are actually pretty stupid. What is wrong with this is the excessive prison sentences of “eco-terrorists” such as Eric McDavid. But through-out this country, excessive prison sentences is becoming the norm — a disgusting trend that gets zero media coverage — allowed to happen by an ignorant populous that swallows it’s governments propaganda hook, line and sinker everyday.

But, Eric McDavid and friends did participate in a conspiracy. Yes the conspiracy was fabricated by “Anna.” But they did not know that. They participated thinking that — as far as can be gleaned from the Internet/media coverage — they were doing something real.

Someone said that “there was no crime,” but that discounts the fact that planning to commit a crime is a crime under our laws; just as helping someone (or paying someone) to commit murder is a crime equally punishable as an “accessory.”

If anyone is participates in a quest to blow something up, burn something down, or otherwise destroy property — no matter how noble their reasons — they must be prepared to pay the penalty as defined by our society — no matter how ignoble such penalties are.

If anyone is participates in a quest to blow something up, burn something down, or otherwise destroy property, they must look at the consequences of being caught. If they did not know that they could have gotten 20 years — as I know that I can get that if my pot plants are found by the cops — then they are actually pretty stupid.

]]> By: FBI Informants Tracking Terror, or Manufacturing Terror? « Carwil without Borders http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-14397 FBI Informants Tracking Terror, or Manufacturing Terror? « Carwil without Borders Thu, 22 May 2008 18:29:01 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-14397 [...] More from [...] [...] More from [...]

]]> By: Green Is The New Red.com » Blog Archive » Like OMG! Elle Glams Up the Green Scare…And Issues a Retraction? http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13673 Green Is The New Red.com » Blog Archive » Like OMG! Elle Glams Up the Green Scare…And Issues a Retraction? Fri, 02 May 2008 19:02:12 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13673 [...] light of that, has Elle issued a retraction? These stickers have mysteriously appeared in copies of the magazine on newsstands around the [...] [...] light of that, has Elle issued a retraction? These stickers have mysteriously appeared in copies of the magazine on newsstands around the [...]

]]> By: Native_Anarchist http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13542 Native_Anarchist Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:16:24 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13542 If you live in the south just stand still for awhile it will find you. in all seriousness though I doubt finding seeds will be easy. I had the same idea as you and thought about it for awhile. I think the best option is just to get part of a plant, then replant it where desired. Oh also, I’m pretty sure it is illegal in some places, hence the difficulty finding seeds, depending where you’re located presently. If you live in the south just stand still for awhile it will find you.
in all seriousness though I doubt finding seeds will be easy. I had the same idea as you and thought about it for awhile. I think the best option is just to get part of a plant, then replant it where desired. Oh also, I’m pretty sure it is illegal in some places, hence the difficulty finding seeds, depending where you’re located presently.

]]> By: Icecoveredpool http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13493 Icecoveredpool Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:34:31 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13493 has anyone managed to crop kudzu? i was thinking that it would make a great way to go green in metropolitan areas. if anybodys got some, think you might be able to spare some seeds? has anyone managed to crop kudzu? i was thinking that it would make a great way to go green in metropolitan areas. if anybodys got some, think you might be able to spare some seeds?

]]> By: Kristin http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13463 Kristin Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:10:53 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13463 i never thought i'd read that devilish word on here: myspace cringe feralfury: lighten up and accept that you were duped along with elle. you have great ideas about environmentalism and i hope that you don't stay so angry! take some frustration out on those mags by stickering them i never thought i’d read that devilish word on here: myspace

cringe

feralfury: lighten up and accept that you were duped along with elle. you have great ideas about environmentalism and i hope that you don’t stay so angry! take some frustration out on those mags by stickering them

]]> By: pfm http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13462 pfm Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:46:56 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13462 fyi, CrimethInc. Far East has never had any ads on myspace, ever. in fact, we've never done anything on myspace, at all. fyi, CrimethInc. Far East has never had any ads on myspace, ever. in fact, we’ve never done anything on myspace, at all.

]]> By: feralfury http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13460 feralfury Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:26:16 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13460 ret marut: From what I have read of CrimethInc, I wouldn't have thought that, but it's not about being gullible, it's about a misunderstanding of where the stances lie. There have been advertisements on myspace since at least last year regarding buying CrimethInc's books which from what I have read from CrimethInc doesn't seem right at all, but I figure if one thing seems out of place, why would it be wrong for something like this that seemed out of the place to not be true? Your hearts in the right place too, and I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but my misunderstanding wasn't foolish, CrimethInc doesn't have some set stance, and does have an embrace of hypocrisy, who am I to know the difference? I'm not coming from this perspective critical of CrimethInc either, as there has been some great material written in its name, but when I see someone bringing out the "green" name, I do get skeptical and there are a lot of people that buy into this notion, and given what I said earlier, it didn't seem such a stretch to me. Apparently I was wrong so I apologize for directing the comment at you while still obviously keeping my stance on the bullshit "green" label. [By the “green” label thing, I mean which is being thrown on everything by this system obviously, not the mention of “green” in this article.] ret marut:
From what I have read of CrimethInc, I wouldn’t have thought that, but it’s not about being gullible, it’s about a misunderstanding of where the stances lie. There have been advertisements on myspace since at least last year regarding buying CrimethInc’s books which from what I have read from CrimethInc doesn’t seem right at all, but I figure if one thing seems out of place, why would it be wrong for something like this that seemed out of the place to not be true? Your hearts in the right place too, and I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, but my misunderstanding wasn’t foolish, CrimethInc doesn’t have some set stance, and does have an embrace of hypocrisy, who am I to know the difference? I’m not coming from this perspective critical of CrimethInc either, as there has been some great material written in its name, but when I see someone bringing out the “green” name, I do get skeptical and there are a lot of people that buy into this notion, and given what I said earlier, it didn’t seem such a stretch to me.
Apparently I was wrong so I apologize for directing the comment at you while still obviously keeping my stance on the bullshit “green” label. [By the “green” label thing, I mean which is being thrown on everything by this system obviously, not the mention of “green” in this article.]

]]> By: Elle Magazine punked by Eco warriors. « Vivre Magazine.com http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13453 Elle Magazine punked by Eco warriors. « Vivre Magazine.com Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:59:29 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13453 [...] These stickers have been found in every issue in at least one bookstore. Anyone else encountered them? Read more [...] [...] These stickers have been found in every issue in at least one bookstore. Anyone else encountered them? Read more [...]

]]> By: The Zaz Report! Funny Celebrity Gossip & Entertainment News! » Mother Nature: “Fame is a Double-Edged Sword” http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13452 The Zaz Report! Funny Celebrity Gossip & Entertainment News! » Mother Nature: “Fame is a Double-Edged Sword” Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:29:07 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13452 [...] In fact, Elle dedicated its 10% post-consumer green issue to Mother Nature, and even features an article on her security [...] [...] In fact, Elle dedicated its 10% post-consumer green issue to Mother Nature, and even features an article on her security [...]

]]> By: b. traven http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13438 b. traven Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:42:37 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13438 From the Elle forums: http://forums.elle.com/style/board/message?board.id=8&message.id=1257 and a guest blogger for Elle's Green Issue: http://eco-chick.com/2008/04/13/im-blogging-for-elles-green-issue/ and right-wing morons who are still in denial about climate change: http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/04/ecokooks_punk_e.html and: <a href="http://instinctmagazine.com/the-watercooler/hoaxed-did-eco-terrorists-chop-down-elles-green-issue.html" rel="nofollow">http://instinctmagazine.com/...eco-terrorists-chop-down-elles-green-issue.html</a> http://jezebel.com/384081/ From the Elle forums:

http://forums.elle.com/style/board/message?board.id=8&message.id=1257

and a guest blogger for Elle’s Green Issue:

http://eco-chick.com/2008/04/13/im-blogging-for-elles-green-issue/

and right-wing morons who are still in denial about climate change:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/04/ecokooks_punk_e.html

and:

http://instinctmagazine.com/…eco-terrorists-chop-down-elles-green-issue.html

http://jezebel.com/384081/

]]> By: ret marut http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13437 ret marut Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:16:55 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13437 Feral Fury-- I know this is the 21st century, and no one actually bothers to get acquainted with a subject before they type about it, but a few moments perusing this website would have sufficed to protect you from this embarrassing misunderstanding. Your heart's in the right place, but if you think the folks who maintain this blog scurry to the newsstand to buy Elle every month, you are as gullible as a judge at a bail hearing. Feral Fury–

I know this is the 21st century, and no one actually bothers to get acquainted with a subject before they type about it, but a few moments perusing this website would have sufficed to protect you from this embarrassing misunderstanding. Your heart’s in the right place, but if you think the folks who maintain this blog scurry to the newsstand to buy Elle every month, you are as gullible as a judge at a bail hearing.

]]> By: O.R.C. » The Strange Case of Anna, revisited http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2008/04/22/elle-magazine-retraction-or-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-13430 O.R.C. » The Strange Case of Anna, revisited Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:29:14 +0000 http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/?p=225#comment-13430 [...] it appears that either Elle has retracted the article, or someone has begun to detourn the magazine. (with stickers, the pdf of which is [...] [...] it appears that either Elle has retracted the article, or someone has begun to detourn the magazine. (with stickers, the pdf of which is [...]

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